Sorry to play the super fan, but I think it's romantic.

Then again, he is a vampire.

And I actually begged one of the gothic kid at my school to bite me when I was seven. Thought he was a vampire XD

First, there's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to be a vampire, in concept. And a pretty hypocrite I'd be to say anything against wanting to bitten (I'm rather a fan of it myself, in truth), but let me ask you a question: Do you really think it would be romantic if a hundred-year old man broke into your house and watched you sleep? If he took parts out of your car to prevent you from seeing your friends? If he reminded you constantly that he he not only could kill you, but that he actually wants to?

Perfect golden eyes aside, then man clearly has self-loathing issues (if you haven't read the stuff from Ed's PoV, it's not going to be so clear, I think), and that's not exactly the firmest footing on which to build a relationship. I mean, he even threatens to commit suicide.

"But he loves her" is not an excuse for this kind of behavior. It's the same excuse millions of women make for the men who abuse them, and the mentality that it's ok is a big part of the problem.

Wow, I think we have too much time on our hands if we fight about fantasy characters XD

I still think the book's cool.

I'm not trying to pick a fight. I'm sorry if it comes off that wqay. I'm just trying to have a discussion. It's perfectly possible to enjoy a book, movie, tv show, etc. while recognizing the flaws of a character or the imperfections in a relationship in it. There's no such thing as a perfect relationship anyway.

I mean, I enjoyed Hellboy II quite a bit, but I'll be the first to point out the string of stupid mistakes made by nearly every primary character in it. I'll criticize the writing, plot, and characterization of Lord of the Rings.

Humans have the amazing capacity to learn from the mistakes of others (even fictional others), and it would seriously decrease the suffering in the world if we actually used it from time to time.

*Tries not to laugh at how serious everyone is acting*

Okay, guys, this IS NOT REAL. If you feel like fighting over it, go ahead.

But I am agreeing with both sides: Twilight has flaws but is still awesome. Actually, I think the flaws make it better. More realistic.

Yes I hav e to agree withh you. Besides what fun is a book that perfect? You get tired of it real fast.

I'm not trying to start a fight. Just have a discussion. Frankly, I think dismissing it as "not real" and therefore unimportant is ignoring the fact that a significant swath of the population does take it very seriously, and that a lot of people clearly think that it does portray the ideal relationship.

Fiction can have a real and lasting impact on the world, and it's not exactly always positive.

I hadn't heard of anyone saying this was an example of the perfect relationship, but then again, my exposure to tween and teen girls (the main audience for the film and books) is limited to my daughter and her circle.

Haven't read the books, so only going by the movie, but both characters are flawed, yet drawn irresistibly to each other. They know it's a bad idea, yet can't help themselves...maybe not an "ideal" romance, but definitely classic.

What I found "true" in the movies was the akwardness, the keen yearning, the almost fractured way of speaking among the teens....how often do you see that truly captured? Too often, people in movies come across way more articulate than anyone we know in real life

The portrayal of teenage romance is pretty accurate (along with the participants being convinced it'll last forever)... except that the guy isn't a teenager. He's supposed to be 100+ years old. Which is why I can't paint him a naive teenager who doesn't know better. Dude's a manipulative stalker on the thin edge of pedophelia.

Big words hurt stupid girls head DX

Okay, I'm getting this out and refusing to be dragged back into this: I LOVE Twilight. I can see the character's have flaws but it also makes them perfectly suited for readers and watchers. Yes, it is creepy. But creepy in a romantic way. Just like the BuffyXAngel relationship in Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Hey twilight for teens and pre-teens. Spirit is for adults. Then Bolt is for the younger kids.

Bolt is for everyone. Spirit is for almost everyone (don't let the ads fool you, it's not another Sin City, people). Twilight is aimed at the 14-year old girl demographic and hits it pretty well square on... mostly by playing to every screwed-up notion we, as a society, put into the heads of teenage girls.

If I must say...I hit up Bolt today. Mostly against my will but I can't say it was "bad". The over sexualisation of Vampires in Twilight is aimed at one specific market, and it's designed perfectly to hit it. It's not the same as Harry Potter that was more designed for all sorts of fantasy lovers (although personally I feel the movies are a bit poor, did read the books though) where the "sexy, shiny vampires" of Twilight which go about seducing the High School girl and showing her a world of wonder, love and bedazzlement is more of a niche market, albeit a very large well paying niche market.

"Sexy" vampires are a creation of the latest generation of authors bringing more specialised areas of literature mainstream. You might hear people say "They liked vampires before they were cool" and I lament the overwhelming bandwagoning of people onto things I used to like until they're changed too much or tainted to the point where I can't really enjoy them anymore.

Example: When I was three, my parents bought me a casette tape of "The Nightmare Before Christmas" for my birthday (which isn't far before Christmas). Now it was the first tape I ever owned, and I watched it repeatedly and endlessly. I liked the characters, the story and the way it all went together. Nowadays, with the ever emerging scourge of Hot Topic (DAMN YOU HOT TOPIC!!!!) The Nightmare Before Christmas is a staple on favorite movie lists for people who identify with it on a different level, taking it as some sort of goth/emo scripture of a black christmas and not the charming story of the Pumpking King who gets so tired of the same old Halloween and tries his hand at Christmas only to learn that sometimes is best to let Santa take care of it and find the joy in what he does. Nowadays if I tell people it's my favorite movie and aren't wearing eyeliner and a black hoodie people look at me like I'm lying.

Suffice to say Twilight feels that way to me about Vampires. A few years back I watched "Queen of the Damned" thinking it'd be a vampire killing people flick (Like "30 Days of Night" which I enjoyed) instead it was a movie about a vampire starting a goth rock band and lots of computer generated matrix fighting. But apparently it was a hit and sexy vampires continued. Other than 30 days of night there hasn't been what I'd consider a "Vampire Movie" around for a while, and to be quite honest it's taking a lot of enjoyment out of the term for me.

I've refrained from posting here because really everyone's entitled to opinions, and some of you probably really do enjoy it. I simply don't. And now I shall get back to work.

Don't even get me started on that movie... I'm not a big Anne Rice fan by any stretch, but I've read the books, and there's no way in the universe Lestat would ever be a part of a goth-rock band. None. Zero. Lestat would be doing glam rock. Hair metal. Stuff like that. His music would have been about partying, drinking and drugs, that sort of thing. He would be in a band like Kiss, not Type O Negative.

Also, if you opne any book Anne Rice ever wrote to any random page, it probably mentions mentions Lestat's blond hair somewhere on that page. You'd think they would have at least given the dude a dye job like they did with Tom Cruise.

It really was a fairly poor attempt to take vampires into a mainstream goth stereotype. Making powerful, bloodsucking, peasant murdering creatures into passive sex idols just doesn't seem right to me.